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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:44 am

No the Parish Rule is sacred to Central Council of Ladies GAA and all other counties bar Kildare and Dublin. Dublin don't have any parish rule, as their clubs are based on communities.
Kildare CB would be delighted if the parish rule was done away with. The County Board do care as small and medium size clubs are being decimated to create a smaller number of super clubs. Their hands are tied, if a transfer request comes in and the player resides in the parish, the County Board have no choice but to grant the transfer. They did go to extraordinary lengths last year to vet transfer requests and got their wrist slapped by Leinster Council for their trouble.
Re the Intermediate, you would need twelve clubs to agree to your suggestion, having attended the meeting do you really think that four clubs would agree to be promoted from Junior A to Intermediate and four from Junior B to Junior A and four from Junior C to Junior B?. I doubt it. You would need Kofi Annan to get agreement on that one. I agree that Intermediate is a Farce at the moment.
A possible solution would be to put the four Intermediate clubs into the Junior A championship, thus having twelve clubs, and rename it Intermediate, moving all other Junior grades up by one.
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:06 am

Well if the parish rule cannot be done away with - why can't a bye law be introduced tht could limit the amount of transfers? Or at least ensure that clubs like Laurence's or Monstrevin are immediately pushed up a division when they recover transfers.
It's just not right to have these clubs poaching players all round them and then be left to compete at the lower levels.

As for clubs agreeing to go up to intermediate. That didn't happen last night. None of the 4 pushed into Junior A wanted to go, but the CB got them there.

Does it not seem strange to you that intermediate wasn't the main aim of last nights reshuffle?

And the lies that Eadestown told last night to try get regraded to Intermediate were nothing short of embarrassing. Do they think people forget how they 'won' an All Ireland a few years ago? If they battled as hard on the pitch and in football matches as they do EVERY YEaR at CB grading meetings. They'd be winning senior championships!
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:37 am

I was under the impression that a new rule was proposed at the last county board meeting that a limit of 7 players could transfer into a club in any one year. It went to the floor and was shot down. Did that not happen. Trouble is because it only affects some clubs the rest couldn't give a proverbial. I actually have some sympathy for monasterevin as they ignored the debacle of the intermediate championship last year. Grading should have begun the year before that when these teams formed, grading should be looking at the quality of players these clubs have. Its worrying when you see so many ladies clubs pulling the plug. Anyway we now have a good junior a championship so its something to look forward to
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:18 am

You are correct Father Ted there was a proposal similar to the rule used in Dublin, but it went to the floor and failed. STS your suggestion regarding the intermediate might have worked, it may have been easier to get 4 teams down than move 4 teams up, this imbalance will have to be corrected its a pity Na Fianna pulled out they had a decent enough team.
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:25 am

Whitelass wrote:
Well if the parish rule cannot be done away with - why can't a bye law be introduced tht could limit the amount of transfers? Or at least ensure that clubs like Laurence's or Monstrevin are immediately pushed up a division when they recover transfers.
It's just not right to have these clubs poaching players all round them and then be left to compete at the lower levels.

As for clubs agreeing to go up to intermediate. That didn't happen last night. None of the 4 pushed into Junior A wanted to go, but the CB got them there.

Does it not seem strange to you that intermediate wasn't the main aim of last nights reshuffle?

And the lies that Eadestown told last night to try get regraded to Intermediate were nothing short of embarrassing. Do they think people forget how they 'won' an All Ireland a few years ago? If they battled as hard on the pitch and in football matches as they do EVERY YEaR at CB grading meetings. They'd be winning senior championships!

As far as I am aware Eadestown have gone considerably down hill since that all ireland win and did not win one game in the league last year. And 1 game in the champ v castlemitchell. So dont know what your problem is whitelass. Every club puts their case forward every year and teh CB dcides.
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:17 am

Anyone got the list of teams in the various grade.
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:57 am

Senior
Balyna
Castlemitchell
Confey
Eadestown
Leixlip
St Laurences

Intermediate

Ballykelly
Maynooth
Naas
Sarsfields
Junior A
Carbury
Clane
Kilcock
Kilcullen
Suncroft
Athgarvan
Monasterevan
Moorefield
Junior B
Na Fianna (Since Withdrawn)
Rathangan
Robert Emmetts
Athy
Castledermot
Celbridge
Kildangan/Nurney
Round Towers
Junior C
Ballymore
Kill
Milltown
Monasterevan 2
Prosperous
Rathcoffey
Rheban
St Laurences 2
Balyna 2

Would imagine that Rheban will move up to Junior B to replace Na Fianna as they made the Championship final last year, and also are a division 4 league team, but I am not certain on that.

It makes for a far more competitive and interesting competition, now if the Intermediate could only be sorted out....

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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:19 am

Botch wrote:
Whitelass wrote:
Well if the parish rule cannot be done away with - why can't a bye law be introduced tht could limit the amount of transfers? Or at least ensure that clubs like Laurence's or Monstrevin are immediately pushed up a division when they recover transfers.
It's just not right to have these clubs poaching players all round them and then be left to compete at the lower levels.

As for clubs agreeing to go up to intermediate. That didn't happen last night. None of the 4 pushed into Junior A wanted to go, but the CB got them there.

Does it not seem strange to you that intermediate wasn't the main aim of last nights reshuffle?

And the lies that Eadestown told last night to try get regraded to Intermediate were nothing short of embarrassing. Do they think people forget how they 'won' an All Ireland a few years ago? If they battled as hard on the pitch and in football matches as they do EVERY YEaR at CB grading meetings. They'd be winning senior championships!

As far as I am aware Eadestown have gone considerably down hill since that all ireland win and did not win one game in the league last year. And 1 game in the champ v castlemitchell. So dont know what your problem is whitelass. Every club puts their case forward every year and teh CB dcides.

So the senior team hits a sticky patch and should be allowed to drop a level? Then low and behold - all these supposed missing players will return to play at a grade that's way below where they should be.
What about your minor team Botch? Tell us all about your minor ladies team?
Your representatives at the recent meeting seemed suitably vague when asked about them....

The sooner ladies competition is run the same as GAA the better. No creating championships for clubs to win. Certain clubs are always going to struggle at certain grades. That's life. It's up to clubs to work hard on their coaching and try improve their status. The recent recruitment and regrading activities of certain clubs would suggest that clubs are not willing or able to coach so they prefer to use any other means.
A sad day for a once great sport, if its allowed to continue
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:56 am

Sad to hear Na Fianna have withdrawn. They have had quite a good Under Age structure for a fair few years. Did they not win an Under Age (U 15 last year ?) so hopefully they will be back pretty quickly.

It's harder to see Grange make a come-back, especially with the 3 other clubs in the "parish" all now having Adult teams. Why has Moone parish always been a problem area for "GAA".

Is it the only one in Kildare that had no Ladies Club ?
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:05 pm

Whitelass if ladies were run the same way as the lads then Eadestown would probably be intermediate this year. Get the numbers right in each grade then have relegation out of championships. Its not right that a club should have to stay in a grade because of what they've done a few years ago.

It may possible to underperform in a game but if you haven't won hardly a game in a season how can you rebuild while remaining at the highest level.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:22 am

You are right ft, if the numbers were right then natural selection would prevail
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PostSubject: Re: Fixture Proposals and Gradings   Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:56 pm

I wouldagree Whitelass that just because they struggled last year does not mean they should drop a level. Eadestown minors did well last year. The seniors have been struggling for a number of years.
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