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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:48 pm

Cilldara_2000 wrote:
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I'd love to know if McGeeney was offered an opportunity to do something like this? If he wasn't, why not? If he was, why didn't he take it up? It would have been a great opportunity to tease out the issues and get everyone rowing in together instead of the shameful way it was handled.
That's a great question Cilldara_2000. I would also question why a players representative was not asked to give their views at the meeting. They are the ones who make the most committment but they are totally excluded from the process. No wonder they feel disillusioned with what has happened.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:52 pm

Agree with you there too JohnnyC. They read a statement or something from the players according to the Chairman. If they'd had a meeting like the one McGuinness is going to have, you could have had a few players at it. Even if you didn't, surely Johnny Doyle and a few more like Callaghan or Bolton after all their service to the county had the right to express their opinion last night.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:10 pm

Another question I have would be what backroom team (if any) was proposed last night? Was the proposal to retain Kieran McGeeney as manager or Kieran McGeeney with the selectors and coaches named? And if the proposed backroom team was named last night, was this information given to the club members when their views were sought?
Judging by the debate on here, most people were in favour of retaining McGeeney if he made changes to his backroom team.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:24 pm

Thank you Kieren McGeeney.
My dream when he came to us was that he would get us moving in the right direction and make us a top 10 team in the country. He done that and more and only for a bit of bad luck might have done a lot more for us. So again thank you.

Now where from here????? Before you get rid of one of the best managers we had for almost 100 years I assume we have someone in mind to take over. As the 1/4 finals are on this week come Monday morning 80% of players in this county will be finished playing for the year so when is the new manager going to see what he has to pick from?????

I am sad to see McGeeney go and wish him all the best with whatever he does in the future but surely we would not get rid of the man unless we had someone better to take over!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:33 pm

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Another question I have would be what backroom team (if any) was proposed last night? Was the proposal to retain Kieran McGeeney as manager or Kieran McGeeney with the selectors and coaches named? And if the proposed backroom team was named last night, was this information given to the club members when their views were sought?
Judging by the debate on here, most people were in favour of retaining McGeeney if he made changes to his backroom team.
I was another that was on the fence on this but if McGeeney wasnt willing to change his backroom team as has been mentioned maybe it was the right call.

As for all the posters losing the head here, has everyone forgot the talent that we have? If we can get a good manager, definitely not Glenn Ryan, we could have a very good year next year.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:39 pm

My reading on this whole debacle for what it is worth.

Clubs have been seething quietly in the background at the availability of county players to clubs during the years during McGeeney's reign and The payment of the Hawkfield levy was another bone of contention with the County Board.

Now if anyone on here honestly believes that the new manager that replaces McGeeney will get the same resources made available to him is seriously deluded. What is going to happen is that the County Board will come under serious pressure to reign in spending from the clubs.
What does this mean?

Well it means that attracting a high caliber manager in the McGeeney mold if fanciful. The talk of Daragh O'Sé, Kevin McStay, Peter Canavan and others is indeed that of a deluded mind.

Not that any of them would want the job in the first place but when the support is not there that is required to succeed well then they won't even consider themselves on the shortlist.

Going forward we are only going to attract mercenary's.

I think it's time we start to name some clubs that voted against this.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:41 pm

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I was another that was on the fence on this but if McGeeney wasnt willing to change his backroom team as has been mentioned maybe it was the right call.

As for all the posters losing the head here, has everyone forgot the talent that we have? If we can get a good manager, definitely not Glenn Ryan, we could have a very good year next year.
What talent would that be? The year after year of Leinster and All Ireland winning minors.

Or is it The McGeeney managed u21's.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:45 pm

Walter White wrote:
My reading on this whole debacle for what it is worth.

Clubs have been seething quietly in the background at the availability of county players to clubs during the years during McGeeney's reign and The payment of the Hawkfield levy was another bone of contention with the County Board.

Now if anyone on here honestly believes that the new manager that replaces McGeeney will get the same resources made available to him is seriously deluded. What is going to happen is that the County Board will come under serious pressure to reign in spending from the clubs.
What does this mean?

Well it means that attracting a high caliber manager in the McGeeney mold if fanciful. The talk of Daragh O'Sé, Kevin McStay, Peter Canavan and others is indeed that of a deluded mind.

Not that any of them would want the job in the first place but when the support is not there that is required to succeed well then they won't even consider themselves on the shortlist.

Going forward we are only going to attract mercenary's.

I think it's time we start to name some clubs that voted against this.
Maybe its time to see exactally who voted for what full stop not just who voted against this, the last time I checked we did live in a democracy.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:46 pm

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Wish  McGeeney all the best.

But really hope the county board manage to get Glenn back on board.

Need to install some of this passion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_3Aq9Ooa4 back into kildare football cause to my eyes its been missing over the last few years
For the good of Kildare football, we need our greatest ever captain to lead us.
We have a great group of young under21s and minors coming through, therefore, as we are in a period of transition, we have to be realistic in our expectations. This process will take time, if we can retain our  division one status, and put in a decent performance in the championship next year we will be doing well.
We should support Glenn in whatever he needs. Persuade Cian o Neill to row in as part of the team. Get past players like Rainbow, Brian Murphy, Brian lacey, Dermot Earley on board.  
We need to build a backroom team with Glenn Ryan as manager, and give him five/six years, and the whole county get behind him.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:47 pm

Gaa1928 wrote:
Walter White wrote:
My reading on this whole debacle for what it is worth.

Clubs have been seething quietly in the background at the availability of county players to clubs during the years during McGeeney's reign and The payment of the Hawkfield levy was another bone of contention with the County Board.

Now if anyone on here honestly believes that the new manager that replaces McGeeney will get the same resources made available to him is seriously deluded. What is going to happen is that the County Board will come under serious pressure to reign in spending from the clubs.
What does this mean?

Well it means that attracting a high caliber manager in the McGeeney mold if fanciful. The talk of Daragh O'Sé, Kevin McStay, Peter Canavan and others is indeed that of a deluded mind.

Not that any of them would want the job in the first place but when the support is not there that is required to succeed well then they won't even consider themselves on the shortlist.

Going forward we are only going to attract mercenary's.

I think it's time we start to name some clubs that voted against this.
Maybe its time to see exactally who voted for what full stop not just who voted against this, the last time I checked we did live in a democracy.
Exactly, some transparency would be nice. Not a "name and shame" that Walter seems to be suggesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:48 pm

The county board should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves to reside out that fiasco last night.the whole thing should never have been voted in public like that. Kieren has put his heart and sole into kildare football for the last 6 years and this is how he is treated. As a club kildare member I feel so bad for all the club kildare committee who put so much of their time and effort into fundraising for kildare gaa and who are hugh supporters of kieren and his team. This recent negativity within the county will only make our financial recovery harder, I'd like to know how much fundraising the 29 know-alls who voted no last night have done for kildare gaa.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:53 pm

Gaa1928 wrote:

Maybe its time to see exactally who voted for what full stop not just who voted against this, the last time I checked we did live in a democracy.
I agree 100%.

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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:56 pm

Walter White wrote:
Westside wrote:

I was another that was on the fence on this but if McGeeney wasnt willing to change his backroom team as has been mentioned maybe it was the right call.

As for all the posters losing the head here, has everyone forgot the talent that we have? If we can get a good manager, definitely not Glenn Ryan, we could have a very good year next year.
What talent would that be? The year after year of Leinster and All Ireland winning minors.

Or is it The McGeeney managed u21's.
The players that should have won an All Ireland U21 this year is who i'm referring to. Are the following not very talented footballers Dan Flynn, Sean Hurley, Niall Kelly, Paddy Brophy, Eoin Doyle, David Hyland, Fionn Dowling, Paul Cribbin? Are Peter Kelly, Mick Foley, Hugh McGrillen, Ollie Lyons, Emmet Bolton all of a sudden going to become poor defenders? You would swear all these good players are going to miraculously become rubbish. Go through the squad and tell me that we have a poor squad and I will tell you you you do not know what your talking about.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:57 pm

I think most people know who has lead this charge. One man and his club, a club who's recent brief success appears to lead them to believe that all their own players should be on the Kildare team.

This same guy has spent his life lying in close to the snakes that ran Tomkins out of Kildare. The same snakes who spent over 15 years in office in this county and are te root cause if the financial issue from 5 short years ago.

Lets strt naming and shaming these snakes
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:00 pm

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Or is it The McGeeney managed u21's.
The players that should have won an All Ireland U21 this year is who i'm referring to. Are the following not very talented footballers Dan Flynn, Sean Hurley, Niall Kelly, Paddy Brophy, Eoin Doyle, David Hyland, Fionn Dowling, Paul Cribbin? Are Peter Kelly, Mick Foley, Hugh McGrillen, Ollie Lyons, Emmet Bolton all of a sudden going to become poor defenders? You would swear all these good players are going to miraculously become rubbish. Go through the squad and tell me that we have a poor squad and I will tell you you you do not know what your talking about.
The players you named there are where they are because of McGeeney.

Do you think Mick Foley, P.Kelly would have All Star awards?

Hugh McGrillen couldn't even make the u21 team the year he was u21.

McGeeney has put u21 medals in the back of a lot of who you names there, Brian Murphy couldn't win a title with any of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:00 pm

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Jesus Christ Cian O neill. He's a fitness coach ffs and you's want him in as a manager. Hes been flavour of the month amongst all you anti Mcgeeney muppets hasn't he.
mcgeeney was never a manager, great coach speaker and huddler, he looked lost on big days in croker, tactically inept, lets move on and get behind kildare,
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:04 pm

Walter White wrote:
My reading on this whole debacle for what it is worth.

Clubs have been seething quietly in the background at the availability of county players to clubs during the years during McGeeney's reign and The payment of the Hawkfield levy was another bone of contention with the County Board.

Now if anyone on here honestly believes that the new manager that replaces McGeeney will get the same resources made available to him is seriously deluded. What is going to happen is that the County Board will come under serious pressure to reign in spending from the clubs.
What does this mean?

Well it means that attracting a high caliber manager in the McGeeney mold if fanciful. The talk of Daragh O'Sé, Kevin McStay, Peter Canavan and others is indeed that of a deluded mind.

Not that any of them would want the job in the first place but when the support is not there that is required to succeed well then they won't even consider themselves on the shortlist.

Going forward we are only going to attract mercenary's.

I think it's time we start to name some clubs that voted against this.
was mcgeeney not a mercenary?
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:04 pm

One of them organised a bucket collection.

If the clubs are the backbone and it's members the lifeblood how many meetings were held to discuss they way the club should vote. I would suggest very few. So in this utopian democracy we are supposed to have you get a few grey haired old men making the decision. Then to top of this democracy we get a closed vote where the delegate could vote for who he/she likes without anyone finding out. So in essence the democracy comes down to one person in each club. I think you will that democracy is a long way off being practised.

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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:05 pm

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was mcgeeney not a mercenary?
You seem to be suggesting he is. Why don't you tell me why you believe he is in your best English.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:10 pm

Walter White wrote:
realist wrote:

was mcgeeney not a mercenary?
You seem to be suggesting he is. Why don't you tell me why you believe he is in your best English.
what do you not understand about my question,he was getting finacially rewarded for managing another county, head in the sand if you think otherwise. pay him as a coach but not as a manager, he cant manage
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:16 pm

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what do you not understand about my question,he was getting finacially rewarded for managing another county, head in the sand if you think otherwise. pay him as a coach but not as a manager, he cant manage
I don't think you really understand the word mercenary.

I go to work every day and get financially rewarded for it. Does that make me a mercenary.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:28 pm

Sad day. Ive no doubt he'd have survived had the meeting taken place a week ago. was a big push in recent days to oust him. In fairness, he'd have survived also if he had courted clubs a bit and not had his only focus on county team but thats not his way. The SJ saga cost him a few votes and ultimately cost and was very unlucky in some big games in 2010-2011. He gave us a much needed boost after the drivel of 2003 to 2007 and he constantly looked to better his backroom team. Sadly he wont get the opportunity to bring through the current underage talent. Wish him all the best and maybe he will return some day.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:36 pm

Ghosts was the best words to describe the 29 who voted to remove McGeeney last night.

Never to be properly named, only rumour and hearsay as to who they actually were but I think a lot of lads will know the majority of clubs and people who went this way.

I just hope when it rolls around again for positions at the AGM, one man in particular will fancy his chances once more for the Chairperson role. He should be let no where near it.
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:46 pm

The Views of Niall Carew


FORMER KILDARE SELECTOR Niall Carew has echoed Johnny Doyle’s claims that the decision to remove Kieran McGeeney as the Lilywhite’s senior football manager is a ‘black day for Kildare GAA’.
Carew, who was part of the backroom team under McGeeney from 2008 to 2012, believes that it is one of the worst decisions in the county’s history.

“For me this is on a par with Seamus Aldridge’s failure to keep Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahey in Kildare back in the 1980s,” Carew told TheScore.ie this morning.
“I have heard the county board chairman come out in support of ‘Geezer’ this morning but to be honest he should have done that long before this. We in Kildare had one of the most sought after managers in the country and we have let him go.”

Carew left Kildare last year and subsequently took up the reins as manager of the Waterford senior football team and he revealed his disgust at the way the Armagh man was treated and how the feelings of the current squad were dismissed by club delegates.

“None of us know what will happen next or what the next manager will bring but there were no alternatives offered whatsoever. From what I can see this was a completely anti-McGeeney vote from delegates who hold personal grievances against the man and who may have never talked to him in their lives.”

“I can’t believe that no-one took on board the feelings of the players at all in this whole thing. Certain clubs expressly went against what their county players said on the matter and that is very disappointing. The players are the people who are closet to the set-up, they are the ones that are sacrificing their social lives and nights out to play for Kildare. I can’t understand why their opinions were not taken into account.”

Carew pointed out that McGeeney would have walked away from the job after their run in the qualifiers ended against Tyrone back in July but he stayed due to the support of the players.
“I’m devastated for Geezer on a personal level. I had said to him that I thought it might be tight (the vote), but he said he had to let it go to a vote out of loyalty to the players. They asked him to stay and he said he would but this vote obviously changes all that.”

With so many of the squad backing McGeeney, Carew had a stark warning for Kildare fans as well. “I would not be in the least bit surprised to see a lot of retirements on the back of this decision,” he warned.
The implications of the move to jettison the former International Rules star are wider ranging than just in a footballing sense Carew also pointed out.
The now former Kildare manager was one of the driving forces behind securing Brady’s Ham as the replacement sponsor for the county after Tegral ended their two decade long association with the Lilywhites last year. Asked could it hurt Kildare’s earning potential Carew believes it could have a major impact on the already debt-ridden coffers of the county board.

“In fairness to Geezer not alone is he a super coach but he is a major commodity as well. He is very high profile and that is what has helped the county as well,” he says.
“You want as much profile as possible and Kieran McGeeney brings that but not alone that he has backed it up. Yes we were beaten by Tyrone in the qualifiers but there was just the kick of a ball in it and they went on to contest the All-Ireland semi-final so it’s not like Kildare were that far away. The team got to the semi-finals of the National League as well let’s not forget.

“I think it is a major mistake to let 57 people in a committee room decider the fate of the county and not have the say of a single player. Some of those players have been there the last six years and yet they were not listened to.”

Whoever succeeds McGeeney will have a very tough role to follow his former selector points out and will have to quickly win over the players as well as manage the expectations of
“It will be very hard for the next man in. The players had so much loyalty to the last regime that it will be hard to come in and Kieran has big shoes to fill. Who am I to say the next manager won’t be a success though? I know I am a personal friend of the man but when I take a step back, or when anyone takes a step back and evaluates what he brought to the county you have to admit he did a great job.

“He dragged us to the dizzy heights of five quarter-finals and a semi-final in 2010 after years of getting beaten in the first round by the likes of Wexford and Offaly, and getting trimmings off those teams as well. I just think it is a crazy decision to let him go.”

“I am devastated for the players in all this as well, but you have to question the decision on a football basis too. I’m back with Waterford in two weeks, we are sitting down to work out our plans for the year, and here you have Kildare without even a manager in place. How will they expect to compete with the likes of Dublin and Mayo and Kerry and the likes when they have yet to even appoint a manager? You are trying to get the players to the most professional level you possibly can to challenge and yet the county doesn’t even have anyone in place.”

He was quick to rule himself out of the running for the position and believes that the level of expectations in the county may scare some candidates away from the job.
“I am committed to Waterford and I want to do my best for the team down here but even aside from that, out of loyalty to Kieran I wouldn’t dream of going in there now.

“It (the level of expectation) will turn a lot of people off. We’ve won three Leinster titles in the last 60 years, people in the county need to have a reality check. The pressure on the next manager will be severe. Kieran got the county to five quarter-finals, one All-Ireland semi-final and a Division One semi-final this year and it wasn’t enough. People have to realise that only one team can win a competition at a time.”

Carew also dismissed the rumours about McGeeney’s expenses crippling the county board.
“He got the same expenses as any other manager out there. People throw figures around and we’ve all heard the sums but people will say a number off the top of their head and next thing you know it’s fact. I remember buying a new car and I was told that I got it off the county board! Whoever the next manager is, he will get the same expenses as Kieran and it’s as simple as that,” he says.
“Whatever Geezer got anyway you have to remember he brought it back in 10-fold through fund-raising and sponsorship. The problem he had was that he wasn’t two-faced, he wasn’t going around being everybody’s friend. Maybe if he was more political and put his arm around these delegates shoulders and had a chat with them, he would still be in the job.”
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PostSubject: Re: Kieren McGeeney   Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:53 pm

maybe he can re apply for job in a few years just like micko did after first parting

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