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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:21 am

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I agree botch both very good candidates in a head to head. But it's with the  extras that have me confused. . So its Cian O Neill  plus (by his own admission ).....no body. Or Glenn Ryan  plus Anthony Rainbow Dermot Earley and Johnny Doyle .
like yourself botch i hope we made the right decision but I'm not sure.

Or it's a guy who knows high performance and what modern players expect and what you need to surround yourself with to achieve in a new era of GAA and has been around the very best set-ups in terms of his profession but also his GAA work which saw him coveted by Tipperary's hurlers and Mayo's and Kerry's footballers versus a hero of a player from an era of blood, bandage and sweat rather than science, who managed Longford to a couple of decent wins and a few bad defeats and a club in Laois and who as part of his backroom team had great players who we know nothing of in terms of their coaching and management ability other than Rainbow who didn't go well at his first attempt. And quite frankly Seamus Aldridge belongs to a different era and needs to pipe down if he's an issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:36 am

Seamus Aldridge has a hard neck he held up Kildare gaa for years . Fair dues to G.Donnelly he got us a man that a que of counties would jump at . Lucky for us he a Kildare man and what more he wants to try and bring us back to the top table . He could have bypass us and made a excuse about now is not the time but fair dues he has not ducked the challenge. I know that deep down like G Ryan he loves Kildare and wants to help his own people first believe me lads he not in this for fees!
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:45 am

No matter what we this worked out, county board would have gotten stick, I personally believe Glenn deserved the opportunity to manage Kildare given what he achieved as a captain. However it would have been mad to pass up a man of O Neill's coaching pedigree!

He has been dealing with top level sports men, particularly in GAA terms for the best part of a decade, coached teams across both codes to 6 All-Ireland finals in that time, as many have said his backroom team will be hugely important as O'Neill can't possibly be all things to all men!!
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:08 am

Happy enough with the new appointment, although I must admit, I would've chosen Glenn myself. I think he deserved a chance to manage his county after all he put into the jersey. I never thought he had a chance of getting it with the current chairman in place but obviously Glenn thought differently.

But I wish Cian all the best and roll on 2016!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:18 am

Seamus Aldridge!! The cheek of him! Have absolutely no time for that man. Has nothing but contempt for my club and that's a known fact. He should be let nowhere near the county scene.

Fairplay Ger and the rest of the County Board. I for one did not see that one coming! Glenn or Cian, my two choices. Delighted with it and please god, it will be the start of a new era for us. Long road ahead....
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:50 am

Can I ask everyone on what basis should Glen have got the job?

I would have thought that whoever gets the job should be the best candidate interviewed for the position.

Now whilst I wasn't involved with the interview process myself on paper it's quite clear to me that Cian O Neill is by some distance the most qualified in terms of S&C and has a better overall track record with any team he jas been involved in in the most recent past.

So I'd like to hear why people thing Glen should have got it .
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:31 am

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jim wrote:
I agree botch both very good candidates in a head to head. But it's with the  extras that have me confused. . So its Cian O Neill  plus (by his own admission ).....no body. Or Glenn Ryan  plus Anthony Rainbow Dermot Earley and Johnny Doyle .
like yourself botch i hope we made the right decision but I'm not sure.

Or it's a guy who knows high performance and what modern players expect and what you need to surround yourself with to achieve in a new era of GAA and has been around the very best set-ups in terms of his profession but also his GAA work which saw him coveted by Tipperary's hurlers and Mayo's and Kerry's footballers versus a hero of a player from an era of blood, bandage and sweat rather than science, who managed Longford to a couple of decent wins and a few bad defeats and a club in Laois and who as part of his backroom team had great players who we know nothing of in terms of their coaching and management ability other than Rainbow who didn't go well at his first attempt. And quite frankly Seamus Aldridge belongs to a different era and needs to pipe down if he's an issue.
Eh , that might be Enough wins to get one of the most poorly resourced counties in the country (in player terms ) consecutive promotions and you must have forgot the oul under 21 Leinster for his native county  with a less than classic team ...
Youre rather amusing you go off on your very rational analysis of managerial aptitude , a bit of amnesia ,a bit of misrepresentation , a bit of caricature (blood ,sweat, bandages no less....)..
All the time leaving out the fact that Glen was the actual guy the buck stopped with as opposed to "being around" sucessful outfits ..
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:57 am

I've the height of respect for Glenn Ryan and I think his managerial credentials are often underestimated but there was only ever likely to be one outcome once it became clear that Cian O'Neill was interested.

Most of us wrongly assumed that he wouldn't be interested and if that had have been the case then I'm sure Glenn would have been an appointment that most would have been satisfied with. I think he would have made a good go of it but sentiment can't enter into these decisions and Cian was probably the right call. His coaching CV speaks for itself and I am certain that he will command the respect of the players.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:02 am

Seamus Aldridge , it's the likes of him and his ilk that have our county finances being governed by Croke Park. If he thinks it's a wrong decision we must be on to a winner for sure
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:26 am

TommyKeegan wrote:
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I agree botch both very good candidates in a head to head. But it's with the  extras that have me confused. . So its Cian O Neill  plus (by his own admission ).....no body. Or Glenn Ryan  plus Anthony Rainbow Dermot Earley and Johnny Doyle .
like yourself botch i hope we made the right decision but I'm not sure.

Or it's a guy who knows high performance and what modern players expect and what you need to surround yourself with to achieve in a new era of GAA and has been around the very best set-ups in terms of his profession but also his GAA work which saw him coveted by Tipperary's hurlers and Mayo's and Kerry's footballers versus a hero of a player from an era of blood, bandage and sweat rather than science, who managed Longford to a couple of decent wins and a few bad defeats and a club in Laois and who as part of his backroom team had great players who we know nothing of in terms of their coaching and management ability other than Rainbow who didn't go well at his first attempt. And quite frankly Seamus Aldridge belongs to a different era and needs to pipe down if he's an issue.

Love the selective memory to suit your argument. Did you forget about the time Glenn Ryan led the U21s to an All-Ireland final? Something your beloved Geezer couldn't manage with a much better team.

That final was in 2008. 7 years ago. Hardly an era of "blood, bandage and sweat".
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:57 am

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Seamus Aldridge , it's the likes of him and his ilk that have our county finances being governed by Croke Park. If he thinks it's a wrong decision we must be on to a winner for sure
Irrespective of what you think of him on many matters ,and i wouldnt have massive time for much of his self serving stuff, this is actually the diametric opposite of the truth . He consistently predicted financial ruin at a time it could have been prevented .
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:37 pm

Just on Mr Aldridge like most post's I wouldn't be his biggest fan. But and not to be disrespectful to anyone but no one asked the question what did he say? I find it hard to disagree with him regardless of his past.  Just before i go into  it just for Freddies sake. I don't have any video evidence snd i wasn't at the meeting. But speaking to a delegate that was Mr Aldridge expressed his the disappointment at the process of finding a new manager.  He said that he had advised the  chairman that because of in internal row within his club of which Mr Aldridge is a member of that there was a conflict of interest.  The chairman then stated that it was not the case and the process was handled in a ver professional manner. This was then backed up by the vise chairman who was also on the 3 man selection panel. Mr Aldridge than stated to the vice chairman that he the VC had said to Mr Aldridge on a previous meeting that "it's a pity  there's a conflict of interest between a chairman and a intrested aplicant for the managers post" the  vice chairman  didn't refute the claim.  Mr Aldridge went on to state that he also finds it very confusing that the panel reject Glenn Ryan and his 3 man team but yet the incoming manager had phoned all three  and asked them to come on board. If they had all said yes and maybe they did would the panel be telling Cian O Neill  that these guys are notup to the job or is it just Glenn Ryan that was the problem?
He then went on to nominate Glenn Ryan but with drew his nominations as he said that Glenn and this management team would not want that and there only intrest as it always was is in the best intrests of kildare Football.
Now as i stated i am no fan of Seamus Aldridge  but its hard for the chairman  to say it wasn't personal there fore in affect not being able to do his job.
I think Cian  O Neill is a very good appointment and will definitely bring things forward. Do i think he was the  best option available.  No i do not!! But i will explain  my reasons why i think that later just for Freddie.
I enjoy this forum and i think its always healthy to debate while i not being disrespectful to anyone.


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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:52 pm

There's definitely an undercurrent in some posts here against Glenn, which is sad really considering all he has done for Kildare GAA.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:20 pm

I think Glenn is an absolute legend and would love him to be part of the management team we have now and if not I still feel deserves a chance in the future but delighted with Cian I hope there was no personal agendas in the deciding of the new management and hope they just thought Cian was a better fit which could actually be the case.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:24 pm

Personally happy Cian got the job and as previous wouldn't have had a problem with Glenn either, am not a Ger Donnelly fan and its not appropriate that a 'personal conflict of interest' would get in the way of the biggest appointment in Kildare GAA.
Cian O'Neill has got the job and could now bring in the worse backroom team in GAA history (don't think he will) but i believe to be strange to appoint someone without at least knowing some of the key people in the backroom team and it just looks like the selection committee had a problem with Glenn Ryan.
Again politics and the County Board, as i have said before the County Board are running the county gaa like a junior setup with personal grievances and cloak and dagger stuff and sure fundraising has gone back to raffles!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:16 pm

Tommy while I mostly agree with you on many of your posts on this forum I disagree with you on this occasion. While I agree the new manager is a top guy in this field as a coach/ S&C but management is a whole new ball game. For example  you could have the best Maths or English teacher in the country in the school but it doesn't mean they would make a good principle or Brady meats for example could have and unbelievable sales rep or accountant but it doesn't mean he would make a good MD.
So there is a big risk involved and its a risk we took before with Geezer and one that with Cian I would be willing to take if that was the only option we had.
However and this will try answer Freddys question as to why I think Glenn as a better as a MANAGER. As was stated he brought an average U/21 team to an All Ireland Final. He brought Longford with a population of around 38k to put that into prospective Newbridge has a population of 23k and brought them from div4 to div2. He also has the Laois club you refer to in the semi final of the senior championship. Anthony Rainbow had a difficult time in Carlow no doubt but if you took the greatest manager in the history of the game of hurling and brought him a few miles up the road into Carlow we would probably never heard of Brian Cody. So I wouldn't use that as the stick to beat him with.
I won't go into What I believe Dermot and Johnny could have brought to the table. On another note it's very evident that the CB is nearly bankrupt and club Kildare is gasping for breath. I would imagine if Glenn and the team had have sat in front of Pat Mangan June Kelly and Dermot Reilly that there would be a very positive outcome I could be wrong but I doubt it.
So through all that into the mix that's why I think Glenn was a better option.

However I think Cian O Neill is still a very good appointment and maybe it wasn't an option but knowing the CB I'd say the question was never asked but why could both parties could have been involved in the management. But I guess we'll never know.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:25 pm

Would have huge respect for Glen for all he did for Kildare and have stated that many times on here. However I think the CB made the right decision once Cian was available. Football has moved on hugely in the last 7 years or so and Cian has been involved at the core of it for those years. I have asolutely no doubts that he will have a top class backroom team working alongside him.
I'm not sure having both Demot and JD on board would be a good idea, they are still to close to some of the older players who may have to make way in the coming year. Rainbow has not been a standout success in his management roles so far either.
As for appointing someone and not knowing who the backroom team are well how much did we know about McGeeney and who he brought on board? That didn't work out to badly did it?
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:42 pm

Well Geezer had Paul Grimley on board in fairness .
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:47 pm

And while Carlow wasn't a success for Anthony. He's involved with Sarsfields and their are in a county final and your right if I may premed your next statement that Sarsfields are traditionally a strong club. The same could be said for Tipperary hurlers and Kerry footballers as opposed to Limerick footballers and Mayo Footballers that were unsuccessful.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:55 pm

Would Glenn not be an option for a selector/assistance manager? I know he went for the managers job but I really think he would be a great help to Cian and of course the players would equally play for them both.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:35 pm

Kkk is right. Cian was always going to be the one once he became interested..
Glen must have done some serious work to get the commitment of JD. Dermot. Rainbow and Lacey on board. And in fairness to the man really wanted the job. When others previously said he had no interest.
I really hope that he wasn't overlooked because of the chairman grievance.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:41 pm

I'd safely say that Glen would rather be the new towers manager than take a selector role !!
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:47 pm

The guys you have named would have soldiered with Glen over the years. They'd probably go through a wall for him if he asked them.

I'm not going to go into analysing Glen or his past and current management other than to say at the moment and the position that Kildare are in. Cian O'Neill for me is the stand out candidate.

Anyone who would say otherwise would have an agenda.

Next thing we'll be told is that Glen Ryan wanted the management job with the whole 98 team as his selection committee, just to muddy the waters further.
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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:07 am

I don't think so and if I was Glenn I wouldn't either I think they have treated him very badly already, not because they didn't give him the job but they didn't even allow him to enter the race.
No man deserves that sort of treatment but lease of all someone of Glenn Ryan's status who was one of the greatest if not the greatest players and leaders that I have ever seen in any Jersey not just in a Kildare jersey.
But you never know. I think that is what should have been done from day one. Look at Roscommon with their joint management team in place. But that the CB for you. As I wise man once said if brains were dynamite they wouldn't have enough to blow their nose!!!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Next manager: Suggestions.   Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:26 am

Lads can anyone say they are not happy with Cian O'Neill's appointment?
He was far more than a S&C guy in Kerry and was at Fitzmaurice's side when they won one All Ireland and got to another final.

I for one would have been happy with Glenn but I think we can already see the fact there is an issue with his non-appointment and perceived poor treatment that Cian does not bring any history or political sniping from those within the GAA Community.
Now let me get this out there, what was or was't said/ done or will be said/ done, is out of Glenn's hands but the fact it is causing a ruckus means the county is already looking for another internal row.

Cian O'Neill has no major beefs that I'm aware of and no baggage so let's get behind the man and stop talking shite for once.

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