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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:17 am

It just goes to show that outside of Dublin, Kerry and arguably Mayo, Tyrone and Donegal, there are a whole host of teams who could beat one another on a given day. It's a case of getting a group of players to buy into what you're doing, having a bit of luck with injuries, and most importantly, performing to your potential on the big day.

There isn't a huge gulf in standard between Divisions 2 & 3. You could come up with any combination of counties from that middle tier and you'd get a different result if they played one another every weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:22 am

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Despite the obvious caveat of it being league football, it's hard to believe that's roughly the same Tipperary team we brushed aside on their own patch only a few months ago. Some turnaround from them.


Amazing turnaround.  We're the worst team we played in league this year on their performance that day. Their intensity and attitude were what stood out for me today, they just wanted it much much more than Galway.

Was an interesting contrast between the mindsets of Clare and Tipperary today - Clare seemed to believe they were beaten before they went out today - understandable as they were playing Kerry but chances to play a QF in Croke Park won't happen too often you'd think. Not so Tipperary who were in no way inhibited by the occasion but relished it.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:57 am

kickingking wrote:
Despite the obvious caveat of it being league football, it's hard to believe that's roughly the same Tipperary team we brushed aside on their own patch only a few months ago. Some turnaround from them.


Probably says more about us than it does Tipp
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:26 am

Jimmers you have to factor in the quality of opposition. Tipp didn't do much against Kerry either.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:54 pm

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Nice to see that brand of football too KK. We aren't suited to the defensive game, don't think we truly buy into it mentally or have the football brains for it, so refreshing to know we could still do something playing a game that comes more naturally to us.

Did Tipp not play with one permanent sweeper and two other guys tracking back in behind the whole time?

Defensive is grand - defensive is sensible. Tipp did defensive - they were caught a few times open but the difference between them and Kildare defensively was their aggressiveness in the tackle - Fox was unreal - but also their ability to dispossess in the tackle.

What they did really well that Kildare didn't though was attack when they had the ball. They had speed and they committed numbers forward. And they also had two ball-winning options inside so they could mix it up.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:40 am

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Nice to see that brand of football too KK. We aren't suited to the defensive game, don't think we truly buy into it mentally or have the football brains for it, so refreshing to know we could still do something playing a game that comes more naturally to us.

Did Tipp not play with one permanent sweeper and two other guys tracking back in behind the whole time?

Defensive is grand - defensive is sensible. Tipp did defensive - they were caught a few times open but the difference between them and Kildare defensively was their aggressiveness in the tackle - Fox was unreal - but also their ability to dispossess in the tackle.

What they did really well that Kildare didn't though was attack when they had the ball. They had speed and they committed numbers forward. And they also had two ball-winning options inside so they could mix it up.

True, apologies, meant ultra-defensive, the sort of game we employed against Westmeath and Wexford with everyone back and no transition game or variation in the speed and method we get forward.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:38 pm

I read this article this morning:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/15m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html

Apparently it is 1.5 million extra between 4 counties (Louth, Kildare, Meath and Wicklow) over 3 years - but doesn't say how it is split up.. Does not state how much already these 4 counties  are getting

Also Dublin got 16.5 over the last 11 years but 11 million (at least) of this came from the Irish Sports Council.. Anyway thought it was interesting..
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:31 pm

So the GAA respond to financial doping with more financial doping focused on a very limited number of counties. Great that they're trying to close a gap but surely the "East Leinster" counties will be open to the same accusations as the Dubs? Why don't Longford or Laois deserve a shilling for example? Seems very haphazard and ill thought out.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:59 pm

Crofter Croke Park or Irish Sports Council or Leinster Council or whom ever it is don't throw out the cash on an adhoc basis.
The reason Dublin got so much was because they applied for every grant / funding going. They were on the ball, had there I's dotted and T's crossed so to speak. If Laois haven't got someone who will do the paper work to apply for these things then so bad. Like ourselves up to a few years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:08 pm

Did Bertie not sort out their sports Council grants.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:41 pm

http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/proposal-the-format-the-all-ireland-sfc/
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:24 pm

interesting stuff, I'd like to see a list of proposed dates to go with it.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:34 am

umpireonditch wrote:
Crofter Croke Park or Irish Sports Council or Leinster Council or whom ever it is don't throw out the cash on an adhoc basis.
The reason Dublin got so much was because they applied for every grant / funding going. They were on the ball, had there I's dotted and T's crossed so to speak. If Laois haven't got someone who will do the paper work to apply for these things then so bad. Like ourselves up to a few years ago.


Think you are mis-reading what happened here. This was a deliberate prioritisation of 4 counties with high population growth and Laois wouldn't have had a chance to apply. Same financial doping as was done with Dublin except on a much smaller scale. But seems unfair nonetheless even if it is us who benefit. Any success we have now in future will be tainted with the same accusations as Dubs get. Should have been spread among all Leinster counties except Kilkenny obviously.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:37 am

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http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/proposal-the-format-the-all-ireland-sfc/

Elitist and reactionary. Creates less space for clubs in the top counties, doesn't do anything for Div 3 and 4 counties other than a potential home tie in qualifiers (which they've a 50/50 chance of anyway), doesn't address the provincials or elevate the one good, well structured competition that exists (the league).
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:47 am

Crofter wrote:
kickingking wrote:
http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/proposal-the-format-the-all-ireland-sfc/

Elitist and reactionary. Creates less space for clubs in the top counties, doesn't do anything for Div 3 and 4 counties other than a potential home tie in qualifiers (which they've a 50/50 chance of anyway), doesn't address the provincials or elevate the one good, well structured competition that exists (the league).

Yeah it nearly creates more problems than it solves.

The sad thing is that when this harebrained scheme is inevitably shot down, the GAA will probably say that its rejection is evidence that people are happy with the current structures.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:51 am

Any structure that retains the provincial championship as part of the qualifying structure for that year doesn't work because teams are not starting and competing on an even footing. It's that simple.

I don't know what they can do for Division 3 and 4 counties - there is no appetite amongst them for a B championship, even though graded competitions apply at club and in hurling. But they don't want it.

So they need an All-Ireland Championship that has nothing to do with provinces - they can use to provincial councils to disseminate the money as normal and run their coaching, promotion etc and have their provincial championships. They would have just as much importance as they do now, which is less than they used to but more to some counties that have no chance of winning an All-Ireland. But you shouldn't have an advantage just because you're in Leinster - or be at a disadvantage because you're in Ulster. Or play your fist game against a team playing their third.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:30 pm

kickingking wrote:
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kickingking wrote:
http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/proposal-the-format-the-all-ireland-sfc/

Elitist and reactionary. Creates less space for clubs in the top counties, doesn't do anything for Div 3 and 4 counties other than a potential home tie in qualifiers (which they've a 50/50 chance of anyway), doesn't address the provincials or elevate the one good, well structured competition that exists (the league).

Yeah it nearly creates more problems than it solves.

The sad thing is that when this harebrained scheme is inevitably shot down, the GAA will probably say that its rejection is evidence that people are happy with the current structures.

That's not a given. This proposal would create 8 additional games at the business end of the championship every year which means there's more TV money and more gate money. Croke Park will bribe delegates at the next congress by promising that every county will a slice of this new pie.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:53 pm

To be fair to Croke Park, when the counties don't want a B Championships and they don't want the provincial championships to be removed from the All-Ireland series, there isn't much you can do.

Those extra games will make more money but they'll also provide the punter with more quality games, the best teams playing each other, as you get in the League but with more at stake.

Of course it doesn't address the problems. They can't go away with an inequitable system the counties don't want to change.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:50 am


Is it just me or is anyone else out there disappointed that the Q/Finals of the All IRELAND football championships are no longer even shown on IRISH television.  Probably three of the best games of the year to date as well.  

Have the Gaa really 'sold their soul'. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:25 am

Eh, there was two GAMES today and BOTH of them were muck. And THE other TWO quarter finals were SHOWN on irish television.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:02 am

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Eh, there was two GAMES today and BOTH of them were muck. And THE other TWO quarter finals were SHOWN on irish television.

I won't go as far as muck, wasn't many much more interesting this year to date. I stand corrected about last week's Q/Finals, I was thinking about the round 4 qualifiers last Saturday on Sky Sports 5.

Having said that, we had 4 teams from the so called top 6 playing today and not shown on Irish T.V.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:32 pm

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Is it just me or is anyone else out there disappointed that the Q/Finals of the All IRELAND football championships are no longer even shown on IRISH television.  Probably three of the best games of the year to date as well.  

Have the Gaa really 'sold their soul'. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

Fom the outset they look like they're selling out but in reality they have always sold their games. RTE have always paid for the games and it was only when they started to look for more money TV3 started to buy packages. The lads at the big table in Croke Park prob. knew RTE weren't going to be able to continue giving what they seemed was acceptable revenue and vice versa RTE had no competition so they could dictate the market.

As for this years quarter finals, to me RTE didn't take them as they're up to their necks in Olympic coverage and Rio so I'm sure come next year you'd have prob. a split with two back on RTE. Again depends on the packages sold.

The reality is the GAA is run as a business and like the CB run the county as they see fit not taking into account what clubs want a lot of the time, Croke Park see fit to run the association the way they want to generate as much revenue as possible. It isn't going to change.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:00 pm

What do you mean rte didn't take them because of the Olympics? The split of quarter finals and all matches between sky and rte is the exact same as the last two years as per the contract signed.

If people don't like this, they'll like it even less if eir sport get involved next time around. Sky aren't going to walk away as it helps them retain subscriptions rather than people cancelling for the summer. The genie isn't getting back in the bottle.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:14 pm

The bigger issue facing the GAA is that football is now as boring as soccer. With respect to GAA1928, I can't agree that either games yesterday were interesting. Both were far too tactical and too defensive. There's nothing interesting about watching Dublin playing keep ball, there's nothing interesting about Tyrone playing two men outside their own 45, there's nothing interesting about watching Mayo trying their best to throw away a win in the third game on the trot. I paid €30 to go and it's the first time I went to Croke Park since an international rules test in the early 2000s that I'm sorry I bothered.

Having 8 more games at this stage will not fix it. All it will do is fleece the supporters of the participating counties for tickets and travel costs for two additional games and earn the GAA additional TV money.
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PostSubject: Re: General GAA - AOB   Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:22 pm

Shergar wrote:
What do you mean rte didn't take them because of the Olympics? The split of quarter finals and all matches between sky and rte is the exact same as the last two years as per the contract signed.  

If people don't like this, they'll like it even less if eir sport get involved next time around.  Sky aren't going to walk away as it helps them retain subscriptions rather than people cancelling for the summer. The genie isn't getting back in the bottle.

Sorry Shergar, don't lose your knickers. Got confused with the last 16 matches but merely saying once the GAA know there's money to be made they'll sell it to the highest bidder.
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