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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:16 am

Every team sport has development squads. Presumably the idea is to gather the better elite players together and to coach and develop them so as to improve them with the long term aim of making them successful in that sport .

If you are on a rugby development squad or a soccer development squad even with a league of Ireland team you would be expected to give a full commitment to it. That's only fair , if you are serious and all the others involved in the development squad process are serious (managers, coaches , trainers , physios, other players and their parents who are getting them there) then how can you play other sports when training is on?

Is a Kildare gaa development squad training something less than other sports ? I thought it'd be an incredible honour and privilege . What excuses are acceptable?

It seems strange that no one mentioned they played a soccer match a few days before a Leinster schools final. Is that the proper preparation for a massively important game?
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:15 pm

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Every team sport has development squads. Presumably the idea is to gather the better elite players together and to coach and develop them so as to improve them with the long term aim of making them successful in that sport .

If you are on a rugby development squad or a soccer development squad even with a league of Ireland team you would be expected to give a full commitment to it. That's only fair , if you are serious and all the others involved in the development squad process are serious (managers, coaches , trainers , physios, other players and their parents who are getting them there) then how can you play other sports when training is on?

Is a Kildare gaa development squad training something less than other sports ? I thought it'd be an incredible honour and privilege . What excuses are acceptable?

It seems strange that no one mentioned they played a soccer match a few days before a Leinster schools final. Is that the proper preparation for a massively important game?

Exactly. If they can't commit it's unfortunatel but there's lot of lads mad to get the opportunity where committment isn't an issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:01 pm

Good points made in posts above.

The Kildare development squads are managed very well and the lads want for nowt.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:59 pm

Some very interesting points being made here, me personally I believe asking players to specialise before minor grade is counter productive in the long run, skills learned in other sports are definitely transferrable to Gaelic Football and we can't afford a situation where we lose some of our better players to other sports because management teams weren't able to find a way to accommodate them somehow.

If a player id absolutely taking the mick, then you can tell them to concentrate on soccer but I believe trying to accommodate a situation where all of the best young talent are available to the county development squads is the best case scenario.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:43 am

Dangerous to comment when one doesn't know all the facts - at 16, you're probably developing an idea of which you prefer. And there are so many factors - some presume that people will go the route where there's a potential professional career but I have seen decisions being based on potential to get education i.e. a scholarship. Generally though, all that only comes into it if the love for both is equal or close. If the kid prefers one over another, that's the way it goes.

I know just from at club level, that it's absolutely counter-productive to play the heavy hand on it. They're gone for sure then. You'd like them to be at least well disposed to you and have to take it on the chin if you're number two. But if you don't act heavy-handed, they will commit when they can.

Of course a county set-up is different again, and commitment is part of the requirement.

Again though, how do you do it? And why? At that age, I wouldn't be inclined to be bombastic about it and saying it's time to choose. What are the circumstances. Has there been communication? Has someone been backed up against a wall. Did a guy just not show up? If so, why?

You want kids to enjoy their sport, play as much of it as possible. But you can't have people just not bothering to show up either, particularly at county level, even a development squad, as so many resources are put into it. Must clubs don't have the pick to say we'll go with someone that can give the commitment.

So to me, it is far from straightforward and not knowing the facts of this or these cases, for absolute sure, I'd be steering clear. Remember writing a column after a Kennedy Cup coach (soccer) put heat on two young lads not to play football for their clubs - if you play you're out. He sent me a few letters after - they were utterly off-point altogether as it happened.

A guy in Portarlington said at a Laois county board meeting that it was time to tell any kid that it was time to choose between football, soccer or rugby. He described it as a war. Talk about doing rugby and soccer's job for them.

It shows again though how emotive this topic is but for me, the kids should be given the chance to play as long as they can and want to, and we should all be trying to facilitate that. Easier said than done I know when you've 14 players down at the pitch or 15 and a lad is heading off at half time to play soccer. But he could have just not bothered showing up at all. Or he's showing up at half time having played a soccer match. Again, he might not have bothered.

The jumbled nature of my post probably indicates my own confusion on the thing. But I'll try to go back to the kid, much and all as I love my club.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:58 pm

1st round on Saturday at 1pm in Carlow. From reading the locals it seems a whole new group this year. Anyone have any idea of how strong or weak we will be. I presume with a new group we will struggle to make it 4 in a row.

Hope to get down there to have a look myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:09 pm

I think a good few are from the U17 team last year who won the Leinster in Leixlip beating Dublin. Our two lads Jack Travers and Jack barrett were on that team and are current minors.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:41 pm

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1st round on Saturday at 1pm in Carlow. From reading the locals it seems a whole new group this year. Anyone have any idea of how strong or weak we will be. I presume with a new group we will struggle to make it 4 in a row.

Hope to get down there to have a look myself.

We'll definitely struggle as we haven't won the last 3 Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:54 pm

Team for tomorrow. No players from last years team so will be interesting to see how we do. Best of luck to all involved.

Kildare (Leinster MFC v Carlow): Aaron O'Neill; Daniel Reilly, Mark Barrett, Conor Murphy; Jack Travers, Ben Carroll, Daragh Ryan; David Kelly, Cian McQuillian; Findlay Nairn, Niall O'Sullivan, Brian McDonnell; Darragh Kirwan, Shane O'Sullivan, Jack Barrett.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:26 pm

David Kelly was on last year's team.

Findlay Nairn - now there's a name.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:32 pm

Sounds like he should be back row for Edinburgh - great moniker that lad.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:52 pm

Carlow puttin up a good fight so far
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:08 pm

Two goals in two minutes game over. That Nairn lad has the talent to go with the great name
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:44 pm

Kildare GAA tweeted that Adam Cronin replaced Mark Murphy before throw in but there was no Mark Murphy down to start.. anyone know who was replaced?
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:37 pm

Conor Murphy.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:31 pm

Cheers @Taibi, was hoping it wasn't that Mark Barrett, its good seeing lads from smaller clubs getting a chance at this age and he was the only player from a non senior club down to start if I'm not mistaken
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:37 pm

Kilcock not a senior club
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sun May 07, 2017 9:11 pm

Leinster Minor FC Q/final draw:
Wexford v Carlow
Dublin v Longford
Laois v Kildare
Louth v Offaly
On 20th May

Tough draw for us as Laois beat Meath yesterday. Big improvement needed from the Carlow game.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sun May 07, 2017 10:26 pm

Carlow have shown themselves to be a decent outfit to be fair
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Tue May 09, 2017 9:55 pm

Ohtoohtobe wrote:
Sounds like complete madness to me. The problem stems, I think, from underage managers thinking they're Jim McGuinness.

Or the Special One...
I see KDUL are switching to summer soccer shortly which will compound the problem...as was mentioned earlier "compromise" is the way forward the welfare of the chaps is too important and should always be number 1,way ahead of the ambitions of any Jim or Jose....
I would also add honesty between the respective managers has to be to the forefront....i remember an u14 i think manager had an agreement with his GAA counterpart regarding 5 or 6 players for 2 or 3 games all taking place on Saturdays, that they would let the players and or parents decide.....sadly the GAA manager did the exact opposite and told the chaps it was GAA or Soccer.....
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Thu May 11, 2017 4:37 pm

Laois could be tricky alright... By all accounts beat a decent Meath team, who did what Meath always accuse Kildare teams of – choked in the second half v Dublin after being fully 10 points up at half time. Jesus if a Kildare team did it you would never hear the end of it from Meath. We're the only ones keeping the Dubs honest at underage these days.

Anyway, game is in Newbridge Saturday week, 3 o'clock.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Fri May 19, 2017 11:11 am

It's very quiet on this.. I'm not really to familiar with the team unlike previous year's.. interesting to see 2 carbury fellas in midfield.. best of luck to all involved.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat May 20, 2017 4:58 pm

Well done lads
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat May 20, 2017 5:07 pm

Very good win, to come from 7 down to win comfortably shows great character and belief, I thought Kelly was excellent in the middle of the field, the goalkeeper was also very good. I also thought moving Darragh Ryan up front was a very good move as evidenced by him scoring 1.02, not sure who we play in the semi final but nice to have one to look forward to.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare minors   Sat May 20, 2017 6:35 pm

Good fight back alright. All at sea in the first half but came out firing after the break. Once the Laois no.9 was shut down they struggled​ to gain possession. A lot of players trying to do it all themselves caused us problems and decision making was poor. But they showed heart and determination which is great to see.

Well done to the team and management.
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