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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:38 am

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Hope some of the lads who travelled can clarify if the referee actually allowed his decision to award a free out to be overruled by the umpires, as KFM are leading us to believe.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:42 am

I just hope to god this doesn't turn our season upside down like the down and tyrone results have a few years ago, We need to bounce back quick and win at Newbridge next week!!
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:57 am

Christ, the embarrassment of some of the Kildare GAA fan accounts on Twiiter is harder to stomach than the actual game. Give it a rest!

Why weren't Kildare pulling and dragging Derry players to the ground when they went two points up, take the black card? Why weren't Kildare funnelling back everyone in white? Derry needed a goal. You can be sure Derry would have done it.

I know we kicked 1-17 ourselves, which is great, but to concede 1-18 on a heavy pitch in the middle of February is very worrying.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:59 am

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Christ, the embarrassment of some of the Kildare GAA fan accounts on Twiiter is harder to stomach than the actual game. Give it a rest!

Why weren't Kildare pulling and dragging Derry players to the ground when they went two points up, take the black card? Why weren't Kildare funnelling back everyone in white? Derry needed a goal. You can be sure Derry would have done it.

I know we kicked 1-17 ourselves, which is great, but to concede 1-18 on a heavy pitch in the middle of February is very worrying.

Well said.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:26 am

Cilldara_2000 wrote:
Crikey Sad

Hope some of the lads who travelled can clarify if the referee actually allowed his decision to award a free out to be overruled by the umpires, as KFM are leading us to believe.

he did but Tommy is also right that we allowed it all to happen. We weren't at it today.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:56 am

That's tough to take on a number of levels. To go from good position at half time to conceding 7 points on the spin then to grind it out to being two points up in injury time and the do the most Kildare thing ever and concede a last second goal to lose is pretty poor.
Defending back to its lazy tackling, behind the man best I'm afraid. The free kick before the goal was the root cause. In control time nearly up and we give away possession. No other team in the Country would do it.
Another game from a winning position we lost. Is it any wonder we are the most nervous supporters in the land.

Saying all that, it's a very young team finding their way. We were missing two of our most attacking players and they showed good heart to get back into it and put themselves into the position to win. Next game is huge, Fermanagh at home is one we really need to win.
Hopefully they dust themselves down and get back to it and don't let this hang over them.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:16 am

We just fxxk it away did not play and still had the game won. Ref gave a free out and was overturned by umpires only could happen with kildare.any other county and the ref would have stuck with his decision. They match was lost first 10 minutes of second half 6 unanswered points when we. Should be putting the game to bed that was the story.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:52 am

Derry is always a tough place to get anything, even when their struggling.. losing the two forwards beforehand didn't help, and although we did score 1-17 we lack forwards on the bench, with respect to leper and mcnally neither are gonna get a lot of scores.
Taibi is right, we have to get that ruthless edge to close out these games.
Cian has been saying the smaller panel is working well, that's all fine until we get a few injuries.
Anyway let's move on and let that one go.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:57 am

Should have buried them when we had the chance at end of the first half. Have to win 3 from 4 now for promotion. Won't be easy as expect Fermanagh to play 15 behind the ball in Conleth's next week.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:47 am

Not making any excuses for anyone or anything that happened today in terms of scores given away; balls turned over or wrong decisions taken but twice in the last two matches we have suffered (though to a lesser extent against Cork) through refereeing decisions that were - bizarre, to put it mildly. In both cases decisions made by the referee were overturned AFTER he had made those decisions. In the Cork case a goal disallowed for a double hop (which video evidence showed it wasn't) on the linesman's say so. And that after the goal had been allowed and the kick-out taken. Today a free out (for a clear foul on the keeper) was overturned on the umpires' say so. Two things seem clear - the level of refereeing is at best uneven and at worst really bad once you get past a handful of officials and the farcical situation of often incompetent referees appointing even more incompetent umpires on what is basically a whim is a joke in any sport. Can you imagine the FAI or the IRFU telling a ref to bring his own linesmen?
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:52 am

Why is 'we were robbed' always the reflex'? If it was at the other end, we'd be praising the referee for listening to his umpires, or saying we were due a decision.
Here's what we should take from the game instead: We are conceding way, way too much.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:00 am

Not disagreeing with you OTB - see my opening sentence. I'm simply commenting on the ability of many of the referees in the league and of their umpires...not just in Kildare games. And I accept we created the situation that led to that goal ourselves but that doesn't take, I believe, from the validity of my other point.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:56 am

Kildare v down all ire smi northern ref down get the decision , Kildare v Donegal all ire smi Donegal get the decision , today v Derry northern ref Derry get the decision , same story all the time
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:56 am

Donegal all ire 1/4
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:03 am

i didnt get carried away when we beat meath and cork, so not getting despondent by todays defeat. young players only get experience by playing regularly and im very happy with the progress so far in the league. we have shown in the 3 matches that we have the ability to get promoted to division 1. we have to accept the refereeing decisions that go for and against us because the best coaching, fitness levels, game plans etc etc are out of our control! but we CAN control our own destiny by playing to our strengths and working on our weaknesess. the major weakness in the 3 games has been the way we seem to switch off after taking a stranglehold of the game. meath came from 10 behind to just 5 before the break in navan. cork got within 2 after trailing by 7 and again today derry scored 7 on the trot after half time. it shows we certainly have the ability to get ourselves in these great positions and im sure the players and management will be trying to rectify this problem in the future matches. were still in a great position and i expect us to kick on in the coming weeks and be more ruthless when in control. plenty to admire about this team. i can see a winner takes all in galway. lessons should be well learned by then. come on the flourbags
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:19 am

The inability to stem the tide when the other team get a run on us is one of our biggest flaws. Derry went from 5 behind to two in front in about 15 mins. That is just not sustainable at this level. The best teams keep that to three points by hook or by crook.

We also had a poor period before half time. We were well on top and kicked 4 wides in a row by taking poor shot selections. Another bad habit that crept back in.

As teedee says best to keep an even keel and don't get too high or low. Yes it was very disappointing to lose in the way we did but there are positive signs. Get out and support them against Fermanagh, we are still in a decent position with 4 from 6.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:49 am

Travelled up the road today,sick driving down the road for 3 hours.again to lose in that fashion seems to be a trait of Kildare.kinda sick of the hard luck stories at this stage.the only good thing is that the lads are young and can learn from it.should have been able to close it out.wont comment on the goal near the end as it should never have come to that.

Far far too loose and open at the back.keilt kicked points in second half without lads laying so much as a glove on him.we went from the 20th odd minute to mid 40th minute without scoring.we conceded 7 scores in 10 min in 2nd half. 10 minutes. for 10 mins we couldn't keep it kicked out to them. when u do that kinda stuff your always going to keep opposition in the game. we struggled to break down Derry when they got men back , Fermanagh will b no different . We need to do something to combat this
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:51 am

Until we stop always blaming the officials and correct our own failings we will always come up short.As has been said already WE had possession with a free deep into injury time and decide to kick it away.All the lazy fouling kept Derry in the game today.What happens next,do we fall away like we did after we gave the ball to Tyrone for them to beat us in Newbridge under J Ryan and let the whole season fall apart or do we react the way we did against Cork after maurice dickhead deegan got his way to have D Flynns goal disallowed.Im going for us kicking the bollox out of Fermanagh and no more unlucky looser shite.Time to get dirty
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:23 am

Was right of extra time played at end
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:32 am

fone wrote:
Was right of extra time played at end

I'd agree with Fone here there was a player down for about half a minute yet the game was over right on 73 mins. No sour grapes but just an observation.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:40 am

Trip home this evening seemed to take a lot longer than the journey up there yesterday. A sickener of a way to lose but as alluded to above it should never have come to that. We should have been in front by more than 5 at half-time and we went to sleep for the first 10 minutes of the second half. Having clawed our way back from a 2 point deficit to go 2 in front, we seemed to have got through the bad spell.

We have a very young team so we have to accept we are going to get inconsistent performances but at least today we dug in late in the second half, turned it around and were probably only a minute from a win.

The Fermanagh game now is going to be pivotal for the rest of the league. Lose and we are in a dog fight with 2 of our last 3 games away. Win and we can look upwards - at best to go for promotion at worst finishing mid-table.

Worryingly Neil Flynn looked like he was carrying an injury when he came off and we also have the complication of the U21 game in midweek, so our squad depth is going to be stretched.
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:53 am

Match report for those not too sickened to read it

Had calmed down a little about the ref after the drive home but Jesus..

Still we lost it ourselves - backwards step performance wise but hope not fatal.

http://kildaregaa365.com/index.php/a-late-kick-in-the-derry-air-derry-1-18-kildare-1-17/
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:58 am

Paul cribbin has hand injury hopes to play next Sunday
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:15 am

tomoneillandhissisteranne wrote:
Not disagreeing with you OTB - see my opening sentence. I'm simply commenting on the ability of many of the referees in the league and of their umpires...not just in Kildare games. And I accept we created the situation that led to that goal ourselves but that doesn't take, I believe, from the validity of my other point.

+1 You can't just ignore the referee making a decision and allowing two of his untrained pals to over-rule him. It's farcical and bizarre. And as ever we seem to be on the wrong end of it. Can you imagine McQuillan even dreaming of doing that to the golden boys in Blue?
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PostSubject: Re: Kildare v Derry   Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:00 am

kildaregaa365 wrote:
tomoneillandhissisteranne wrote:
Not disagreeing with you OTB - see my opening sentence. I'm simply commenting on the ability of many of the referees in the league and of their umpires...not just in Kildare games. And I accept we created the situation that led to that goal ourselves but that doesn't take, I believe, from the validity of my other point.

+1 You can't just ignore the referee making a decision and allowing two of his untrained pals to over-rule him. It's farcical and bizarre. And as ever we seem to be on the wrong end of it. Can you imagine McQuillan even dreaming of doing that to the golden boys in Blue?

This is bullshit. Umpires are also assistant referees and they are trained at county level. The referee has the final say in all decisions, so he wasn't over-ruled.

As Ohtoohtobe said, if this happened to anyone but ourselves we'd be praising the referee for consulting his umpires, they're not there just to wave wides and give points.

Kildare are their own worst enemies and until they grow a pair of balls and play dirty when needs be, defeats like today will happen in the future.
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