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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:24 am

Bigball I hadn't seen you relegated Kill Ellistown and Kilcullen
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:43 pm

Individual clubs wouldn't have a say if the proposals were passed at board / convention level. We have seen it in hurling at inter-county level, when counties that had secured promotion under one structure, never got to go up because of a change and those due to be relegated never went down because of a change.

The divisional thing is a good idea in theory but I don't think comparing Cork and Kerry to Kildare is comparing like with like. You have recognised divisions - you have divisional boards that run their own competitions. YOu know you're Muskerry, you know you're Carrigdhoun, you know you're East Kerry - you've been playing in the competitions all your life. There's North Board, South Board in Kildare for Bord na nÓg but that's not the same obviously.

So there is no tie there. And even at that - some of the divisional teams are competitive, some are not. It adds another layer too of demand on players in terms of training, matches.

The positive is that it might give a lad from a junior club that hasn't come through the development system or fell through the cracks, a chance to be seen and to perform at a higher level. I'd say it's why so many people from junior clubs always played for Cork and Kerry in both codes, although second and third level GAA played a big role in that too.

Always good to get the debate going. For me, it's never a good sign to have more teams in the top tier than the bottom tier.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:39 pm

All this is meaningless anyway. You can do what you like with the championship, it will make fuck all difference since Croke Park decided to throw club football under a bus and have it relegated to April and then September onwards. That's all four of the best months in the year solely dedicated to intercounty football and hurling.

Also, regarding bigball's idea, it seems like a huge amount of change just to give clubs one more game. We tried the round robin groups of four in the past and it resulted in boring league type football. At least with the current format, all matches have a feeling of proper championship about them.

I still think there's a lot to be said for straight knock out. Every year in the depths of winter the provincial club football and hurling championships provide excellent entertainment and because it's proper knock out football, you get weekends where the likes of St Vincents and Portlaoise are knocked out on the same day. Round robins, back doors and qualifiers do nothing only destroy a championship and give second chances to the big teams.

Having said that, regardless of the structure, I'd fully support having divisional teams. Every footballer (or hurler) in the county should have the opportunity to play senior championship if they're good enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:47 am

Comparatively speaking we havnt got that many football clubs in Kildare so we need each and every club from Moorefield to Kildangan operating to their full potential if we ever want our county teams to be all ireland contenders. Might proposal works towards this.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:23 am

Any update on the championship restructure, have the clubs been informed yet ?
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:54 am

from Leinster Leader this evening

With the current Kildare Club senior and intermediate football championship having run its three year term, a committee appointed to review its format has come up with two proposals, which will be debated at the next Kildare Co. Board meeting in February.

One proposal is to retain the format that has been in operation for the past three seasons, a format that guarantees clubs a minimum of three games.

A second proposal would see clubs being guaranteed a minimum of five games and run along the following lines.

Sixteen teams: open draw resulting in 8 winners and 8 losers.

After that four groups of four that will comprise of 2 winning teams and 2 losing teams and those four teams would then play a three game round robin.


When completed, the top team in each group would go straight to quarter final while the second and third teams would meet in quarter finals play-offs with teams finishing in second playing teams in third and no repeats.

The four teams at the bottom of each of the four groups will go into a relegation semi final.

As stated above each team will be guaranteed minimum of five games and a maximum of 7/8 games.

The proposal for the Junior Championship remains unchanged while introducing a Shield for those teams who fail to make the semi final proper.

The Senior Hurling Championship will remain unchanged apart from slight change in relegation.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:12 pm

Leave the format alone, its works perfectly well.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:42 pm

Interesting proposal, the proposed one would give more games and this is what players want but how would they manage to fit in 5 games? Players are already sick of not knowing when games are going to take place to allow booking of holidays etc. I'm not sure this would work unless there is two rounds in April, but is the county manager really going to allow this when it is so close to the first round of Leinster championship?
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:23 pm

I would drop the prelimary round game and just go back to groups, what the benefit to winning your prelim game, you could still end up in the relegation play-off under this process.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:46 am

It's possible to lose 3 games and still win the Championship under the new proposal. Personally, I think the current structure works well and we shouldn't change.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:39 am

Don't understand the point of the preliminary round at all.

Would stick with the current set up.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:59 am

New format proposed seems very long winded, don't see the need for playoffs between 2nd and 3rd placed teams to decide who makes up last quarter final place, surely after 3 group games the team that has finished 2nd has earned their spot rather than havin to beat a team that has come 3rd and may have only drawn one game and lost the other 2.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:36 am

More championship games the better. Some clubs have not played since August 17 when they were kncoked out of champ and will not play league football until end of March, a 7 month gap, absolute lunacy!! What do lads do in the mean time? They go off playin soccer and rugby and its hard to get them back. Wake up county board!! We need as many men as possible playing football if we are to produce 1st rate footballers.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:07 am

bigball wrote:
More championship games the better. Some clubs have not played since August 17 when they were kncoked out of champ and will not play league football until end of March, a 7 month gap, absolute lunacy!! What do lads do in the mean time? They go off playin soccer and rugby and its hard to get them back. Wake up county board!! We need as many men as possible playing football if we are to produce 1st rate footballers.
clubs will vote which championship they want
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:38 pm

bigball wrote:
More championship games the better. Some clubs have not played since August 17 when they were kncoked out of champ and will not play league football until end of March, a 7 month gap, absolute lunacy!! What do lads do in the mean time? They go off playin soccer and rugby and its hard to get them back. Wake up county board!! We need as many men as possible playing football if we are to produce 1st rate footballers.

Here Here, and unless the league games are set at reasonable time and not on Sunday's at 6 or Midweek games at 6.30 down the far end of the county where people have to leave work in Dublin early to get to them i can guarentee there will be more fellas walking away from the game because of how they are treated..
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:39 am

An anomaly with the proposed new championship structure that's due to be voted on tomorrow night that was pointed out to me today - It's possible to be relegated despite winning two games (i.e. win preliminary round and one of your group games but still finish bottom of your group) while it's possible for another team that doesn't win any game to stay up (i.e. lose preliminary round, lose two group games and draw other group game but finish third in your group on score difference).
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:50 pm

County committee are backing the new structure, I can see why there is at least 16 more games per championship so that's €50K extra for county board to spend on newbridge
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:00 pm

I genuinely don't see how they can fit 4 championship games in with the way things are currently ran in the county. Unless they produce some fixture planner tonight, which is highly unlikely.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:18 am

New formation way for senior and intermediate club championship for 2018
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:42 am

Fairplay to the county board on new format. More games the better, will keep lads interested and involved.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:45 am

32 to 20 in favour
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:15 am

32 gamez extra equals more cash.....
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:05 am

7 obstensions in vote tonight

For 3 years

Round 1 of championship for teams with county players 4,5 and 6 May .
Round 1 of championship for teams with no country players 11,12,and 13 May


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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:50 pm

What's the new format ?.
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PostSubject: Re: Championship re-structure   Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:27 pm

What is the point in having a preliminary game ?? Whether you win or lose you will still be in a group of 4 with an equal chance of quarter final

Am I missing something , surely itll be man and dog at the prelim games?
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