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PostSubject: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 12:19 am

Saturday, 9th June, 3pm in Owenbeg.

Possibly Cian O'Neill's last game in charge.

Scary to think Kildare's championship could be finished in the second week of June. It would be their earliest championship exit since 1995.

Carlow are a Division 4 team, Derry will replace them for 2019. If that doesn't light a fire under these lads holes, nothing will. For all the negativity surrounding these lads, I really hope they cop on and come away with a win. It's no fun when it's 7 months to your county's next game.

James Murray must start.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 12:59 am

Derry have a host of Slaughtneil Fellas now that they hadn't during the League.
Jimmy Hyland was very impressive last night and is surely a better option than the Subs used v Carlow.. He's also an excellent free taker.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 1:07 am

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Derry have a host of Slaughtneil Fellas now that they hadn't during the League.
Jimmy Hyland was very impressive last night and is surely a better option than the Subs used v Carlow.. He's also an excellent free taker.
if jimmy Hyland plays against Derry he cannot play again for U20 team
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 1:20 am

fone, if you were Cian O Neill would you be overly worried about the u/20 team, I know I wouldn't be, his job and reputation is on the line. If I was him I would seriously consider not letting any of the 20s that he may use, Dempsey and Hyland even tog out against Meath on Bank Holiday Monday.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 2:06 am

If CON is not gonna use the U20 Player's then let them off and play/train with the U20s full time.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 2:36 am

I wouldn’t use the u-20’s - don’t think any of them are ready for a game like this - Hyland included.

Obviously will need O’Neill as a sub keeper.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 2:42 am

The U20s shouldn't be let anywhere near this game – this team is a train-wreck and limping towards the inglorious end of an era.

Mind you, don't think the senior lads are ready for a game like this either, given the mental frailty they've show all year.

I heard this interview with Lee Keegan at the end of last year and he said he was struck by how, when he scored that spectacular goal in last year's final, he ran back up to pitch and not a single Dublin player flinched. They were under the most intense pressure imaginable and didn't bat an eyelid.

Our team meanwhile shit their pants when Carlow throw a few digs at them!! It would be funny if it wasn't so completely galling.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 2:43 am

Also, Cian's reputation was on the line last Sunday I'm afraid, and that was the time to realise it. It's too late now.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 3:45 am

I'm going for Kildare to win by two - if not, I'll eat my other hat.

Then we'll draw a soft(ish) option and prolong the agony till it stretches to all fifteen mysteries (some viewers may be too young/not sufficiently steeped in the tradition of the rosary to get that reference. The agony in the garden being one of the very apt decades!!!!!)

That's my gut feeling but my gut is in a knot since eating that hat on Monday morning
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 5:56 pm

Team i'd go for the next day up in Derry

1. Donnellan
2. P Kelly
3. E Doyle
4. M O Grady
5. J Murray
6. F Conway
7. N Flynn
8. K Feely
9. P Cribbin
10. F Dowling
11. N Kelly
12. K Cribbin
13. C Healy
14. D Flynn
15. P Brophy

Incidentally i cant see our master changing too much, but we need to remove hyland from full back asap, can not remember him having one good game for kildare..
On another note, watching Derry play on BBC the other night, they didn't play overall defensive but you can be sure they will next weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 6:36 pm

Moolick should start midfield. When he plays Feely plays well. We were moving in the right direction last year till Moolick was dropped against Armagh and our midfield got destroyed.....
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Wed May 30, 2018 9:33 pm

i agree with that moolick has a physical presence and getting conway out of half forward line has to happen derry might go and attack kildare in an open game and score could be high like 20 points or so to win this will suit us as the pressure of playing in derry will not be as bad as playing in newbridge by the way the best kildare performance this year was in donegal and played for 40 mins with 14
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 12:24 am

I was one calling for Moolick to be replaced around the middle last year to make us more "mobile".

But that's a correct observation. Feely hasn't been the same since Moolick has lost his place. Indeed KE havnt been the same since.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 2:28 am

One thing's for sure, it simply has to be a completely new-look team against Derry.
As Onechance has pointed out above, taking Hyland, Doyle and Conway out of their usual (and frankly incorrect) positions may help.
O'Donoghue is effective at wing back but has been completely overlooked the last few games.
If the starting team is anything close to what it's been all year, then it's 100% bye bye CON, regardless of a win or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 3:56 am

Strangly enough I also think dropping Moolick last year was a turning point in out fortunes. Armagh dominated midfield that day, something Meath and Dublin failed to do.
Hyland is a disaster at full back and I fear the manager has ruined a good footballer by persisting with there when he is much more to offer farther out the field. Play Doyle there as he spends most of his time running back there when the opposition attack. Murray and Conway and Flynn would be good line.
Is Slattery injured or just out of favour? He definitely gave us something different last year with his direct running like when he set up a goal chance for Flynn against Dublin.
The big worry has to be the really poor form of Kelly and Brophy who should be good for at least 5 or 6 points per game.
No hiding place for the manager now. Send out the same team and fail to win a game in 2018. Not going to look great on his CV.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 4:08 am

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Strangly enough I also think dropping Moolick last year was a turning point in out fortunes. Armagh dominated midfield that day, something Meath and Dublin failed to do.
Hyland is a disaster at full back and I fear the manager has ruined a good footballer by persisting with there when he is much more to offer farther out the field. Play Doyle there as he spends most of his time running back there when the opposition attack. Murray and Conway and Flynn would be good line.
Is Slattery injured or just out of favour? He definitely gave us something different last year with his direct running like when he set up a goal chance for Flynn against Dublin.
The big worry has to be the really poor form of Kelly and Brophy  who should be good for at least 5 or 6 points per game.
No hiding place for the manager now. Send out the same team and fail to win a game in 2018. Not going to look great on his CV.
paddy brophy has performed for Kildare sence his returned from Australia that over year ago .
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 4:21 am

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One thing's for sure, it simply has to be a completely new-look team against Derry.
As Onechance has pointed out above, taking Hyland, Doyle and Conway out of their usual (and frankly incorrect) positions may help.
O'Donoghue is effective at wing back but has been completely overlooked the last few games.
If the starting team is anything close to what it's been all year, then it's 100% bye bye CON, regardless of a win or not.

It's bye bye CON regardless of what happens . Even if we reached the super 8s which won't happen as Derry is going to beat us.

If a Carlow football team without their best player for the last decade can bully us , what will Derry a physical northern team in Owenbeg do to us .

Just a little memo to Derry on how to beat us , if they dont already know. Retain possession, our forwards won't put you under pressure. Be patient. Run at our backs. They can't tackle . Any attempt will be girly and more than likely result in a free. Do This often enough and some will get yellows and blacks .

Be physical, we won't like it and more than likely would prefer to be in the dressing room or taking selfies on Instagram.

Lob a few high balls in on the keeper too. His track record isn't great .
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 4:32 am

This time last year Kildare were top 8 team in Ireland amazing how things turn around in 12 months .
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 5:19 am

fone wrote:
This time last year Kildare were top 8 team in Ireland  amazing how things turn around in 12 months .

Didn't make the Quarters last Year.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 6:00 am

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fone wrote:
This time last year Kildare were top 8 team in Ireland  amazing how things turn around in 12 months .

Didn't make the Quarters last Year.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 6:55 am

Just looked up Owenbeg where our game is being played, not even a stand in it. Looks like a glorified club pitch...
How the f*ck have we sank so low ...

https://www.google.ie/maps/@54.9248483,-6.9531628,3a,90y,178.09h,78.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPS9Sfuqjij0KpOhBHNz8yA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 7:07 am

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Just looked up Owenbeg where our game is being played, not even a stand in it. Looks like a glorified club pitch...
How the f*ck have we sank so low ...

https://www.google.ie/maps/@54.9248483,-6.9531628,3a,90y,178.09h,78.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPS9Sfuqjij0KpOhBHNz8yA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
wrong place you have. Owenbeg has stand its Derry home of Excellence
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 7:07 am

fone wrote:
SeamusMurphy wrote:
fone wrote:
This time last year Kildare were top 8 team in Ireland  amazing how things turn around in 12 months .

Didn't make the Quarters last Year.
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As CON would say "we're going in the right direction ".. WERE.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 7:09 am

Might be an old photo.. it's their Hawkfield.
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PostSubject: Re: Derry v Kildare   Thu May 31, 2018 9:23 am

fone wrote:
paddy brophy  has performed for Kildare sence his returned from Australia that over year ago .

Not exactly sure what you mean here but I thought he was decent last year against Meath, Dublin and Armagh - worth a few points each game.

He looked a bit lost on Sunday but he was playing wing forward and I think he's much better in the corner. We should just pick players in their best positions and see how they get on.
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